28 Feb Young, Southern Baptist…And Irrelevant?
The Baptist Courier, the state paper for Southern Baptists in South Carolina, has printed a first person article that I began working on last fall. You can view the online version here.
I am very concerned about the direction and much of the leadership of our convention. As I explained to my church family over the weekend, the battle that is looming before Southern Baptists is not necessarily a theological battle like the Conservative Resurgence. (Although there are definitely some theological systems driving much of the current controversy.) It is still however a battle for the heart, soul and future of our convention.
I’ve posted my article below and would love for you to share you thoughts. I plan on writing several followup articles in the near future.
Young, Southern Baptist … and Irrelevant?
First Person
By Brad Whitt
I’m not “young, restless and reformed.”
I guess you’d say that I’m young, Southern Baptist and, it seems, increasingly irrelevant.
You see, I’m just a pastor’s son who grew up with a love for my denomination — a Southern Baptist boy by birth and conviction.
I received my B.A. from Union University, a Tennessee Baptist university, my masters from Mid America Baptist Theological Seminary (not supported by the Cooperative Program, but supportive of the Cooperative Program) and a D.Min. from Southeastern.
Moreover, I have never wanted to be anything but a Southern Baptist. Being a Presbyterian has never appealed to me like it seems to some leaders in our convention and their protégés.
As I travel around the SBC, I can see that I’m in the majority; nonetheless, I can’t get away from the overwhelming feeling that in our current denominational world, I am presented as the dinosaur — albeit only a 37-year-old one. It’s obvious when I see who is lifted up as the future of our convention — the hip and cool up-and-comers with whom I have little in common — that my breed is in danger of becoming extinct.
I don’t mind wearing a coat and tie when I preach (at least on Sunday mornings), and I still love to hear a powerful or dynamic choir special. I believe in giving an invitation at the end of every service. Public invitations are still effective. The church where I serve baptized more than 100 people just last year.
I like for the auditorium lights to be on so that I can read my Bible. Also, I don’t get so tired from preaching on Sundays that I need a stool, and I still preach from a pulpit (or, technically, a podium).
While the current batch of “young leaders” so many reference these days appear to be weaned on non-Southern Baptists like Tim Keller and C.J. Mahaney and are taught to give rock-star status to John Piper and R.C. Sproul, I grew up loving men like Adrian Rogers and Jerry Vines. Both men invested their lives in and among Southern Baptists.
I have pastored a new work in Tennessee, served as a NAMB church planter in Ohio and have served as the pastor of a nearly 100-year-old church in South Carolina for the past nine years.
I’ve been honored to serve on committees or as an officer at the associational, state and national levels. Unlike the hipsters and their mentors, I’ve led the churches where I’ve served — sometimes at the expense of hiring another staff member or a building a new playground or expanding facilities — to give sacrificially through the Cooperative Program as well as to the Lottie Moon Christmas and Annie Armstrong Easter offerings. At the same time, our churches were personally involved in mission projects here and abroad.
I am not ashamed of being a Southern Baptist, and I am proud and passionate about my SBC involvement. I have benefited personally from the cooperation among Southern Baptists, and I don’t believe that there is a more effective and efficient way for churches of all sizes to make an eternal impact on this world for Jesus.
It’s not that we can’t and shouldn’t make changes. But everything being proposed now is presented in such a way as to sweep in this new breed that has, at best, “soft” Southern Baptist convictions and commitments.
I’m constantly counseled to “forget about it” — to pastor my church, preach and reach people for Jesus and let the convention do what it’s going to do.
At times, I think my counselors are right.
There doesn’t seem to be much of a desire to include the majority view and membership in the future of the SBC. Just look at most of the personalities who headline our conferences and conventions.
And it isn’t that I haven’t tried to understand what this new in-charge minority thinks — I read their books, listen to their messages, and peek at their blogs and tweets. It’s just that they don’t have anything in common with the context in which I minister.
Their theology is different from that which I read in the Bible, and their methodology about how best to reach the world for Jesus is foreign to me as well.
I support international missions, but the hard work God has prepared me mainly to do is reach my neighbors. I believe God planted Southern Baptists where we are to reach our immediate spheres of influence first, and then by expanding outward we are to reach the world. And I believe that we can only reach as far around the world as we are strong at home.
It gets so frustrating that it would be easy to succumb to the refrains I hear (“just forget about it”) but the thing is, I really don’t want to forget about it. I determined when Jesus called me into the ministry that I would be a Southern Baptist pastor and that I would do my best to serve my church and reach this world for Jesus through the ministries and institutions that our spiritual forefathers had the insight and wisdom to put in place.
Do those ministries and institutions need to be fixed or tweaked from time to time? Absolutely.
Do we need to make sure that we’re just as effective and efficient with our personnel and funds as we can be? I don’t believe Jesus would have it any other way. After all, when you get right down to it, our entire ministry is funded through the tithes and offerings of believers in our local churches.
I love being a Southern Baptist, and I believe that our historic method of cooperation is the most effective means of helping churches of all sizes, from all parts of the country, with all sorts of different structures and styles, to reach the world for Jesus. It’s not always easy, and sometimes hard decisions have to be made when it comes to cooperating together for the Gospel.
But what would happen to the mission and ministry efforts of our convention if pastors like me supported the work of the convention in the same fashion of the “young, restless and reformed,” or their fathers in the ministry? What if we treated the convention with the same disregard or disdain some entity leaders seem to treat us?
The bottom line is that not everything in Southern Baptist life is broken. It appears to me that the larger issue is that much of that which has been and continues to be good about the SBC is simply out of favor with many of those who have managed to rise to positions of leadership within our convention. They have gained possession of the microphone, and they have determined that we’ve got to do things “radically” different — whatever the facts might be.
Definitely, some things need to be fixed and some just need to be tweaked, but changes should come from within by committed Southern Baptists who have invested themselves in the cooperative missions and ministries of Southern Baptists … and the Cooperative Program. Right now, too many “outsiders from within” have influence, and they resent who we are, what we do and how we do it.
The fact is that, despite my being dismissed by those in vogue, I’m not irrelevant. The opposite is true.
If the Southern Baptist Convention is to grow and thrive, it won’t happen from the actions and attitudes of those who view our cooperative missions and ministries as outmoded and ineffective, or who see stateside ministry as “bloated” compared to missions overseas. It will take a greater emphasis from me, and others like me, on cooperation for the sake of the gospel if we are to succeed in our combined efforts to win the lost. There is no limit to what Southern Baptists could accomplish for the Kingdom if we didn’t care who received the credit.
I’m not irrelevant. My kind of commitment to Southern Baptists’ cooperative missions and ministries just happens to be out of style with some at the moment. But styles change, and so does possession of the microphone.
peter lumpkins
Posted at 16:40h, 28 FebruaryDr. Whitt,
I linked your article. I think one commenter is correct. Rick Patrick wrote, “Please print thousands of copies of this article, rent a small airplane and drop them over Louisville, Wake Forest, Nashville and Atlanta.”
With that, I am…
Peter
Heath Lloyd
Posted at 16:40h, 28 FebruaryBrother Whitt: Thank you for speaking (writing) from your heart. I feel much the same way as you. I was born into a Southern Baptist pastor’s home, went to countless conventions and meetings, was conservative before being a SB conservative was cool — I heard Paige Patterson while he was still at Criswell College, and was at Old Forest Road Baptist Church the night Pressler made his infamous “going for the jugular” speech. This is what I was raised in — a Southern Baptist tradition.
I left Liberty University and graduated from Southeastern and became a Southern Baptist pastor and have been for the last 14 years. It seems that the SBC is changing, and I am not sure for the better. It seems that we are more intrested in fitting in with a broader evangelicalism, appealing to a certain demographic, pragmatism seems to rule the day in the SBC.
I wear a suit when I preach because I think decalring the Gospel is serious business — not a show. Method is NOT more important than the message. Leadership will say they agree with that statement — but actions show otherwise.
I am pessimistic about the future of the SBC; not the Kingdom of God nor the power of the Gospel to save.
BTW, I don’t look forward to your invitation to speak at the SBC Pastor’s Conference.
peter lumpkins
Posted at 16:41h, 28 FebruaryAnother commenter also said, “Bravo!! A young man who “gets” it” (Les Puryear).
With that, I am…
Peter
Greg Duke
Posted at 17:17h, 28 FebruaryI agree with your general assessment. The SBC is less Baptist than ever.
But I still don’t like wearing a suit, ever! 😉
@jonwellman
Posted at 17:29h, 28 FebruaryThanks for writing this.
I too am a young Southern Baptist. I lead the music at FIrst Baptist Church Fairview Heights in Fairview Heights, IL.
I wonder about the future of the SBC because I think it gets mis-defined. There are those of us in the SBC that have no interest in the trends (outside of making ourselves aware of them and taking from them that which is beneficial). I think that churches that preach undiluted doctrine get lumped into a very narrow-minded category, and that is unfortunate.
I do not wear a suit on the platform, a standard set by my pastor. Sometimes we have a pulpit/podium, and sometimes we don’t. On the rare occasion that I preach, I don’t use a stand of any kind. The music at FBC-FH is contemporary, but we sing hymns on occasion, and our choir is growing instead of shrinking. And we almost always have an invitation. All this in a state that is not Southern nor inherently Baptist.
Jon Wellman
Roger Smith
Posted at 17:31h, 28 FebruaryDr. Whitt,
I agree with much of what you have said. I too am a young pastor that still preaches in a suit and tie, has a very nice choir sitting behind me, and encourages people to give to the Coop program. I believe in the ways of the Southern Baptist Convention, but not for the sake of the Southern Baptist Convention, but rather for the Kingdom of God.
I believe that many of the younger generation are put out with the convention because the emphasis has been on Southern Baptists rather than on the Kingdom of God. I am Southern Baptist because I believe Baptist Doctrine is more closely aligned with Scripture than other denominations. Yet, when I share Christ with someone, it is not to convince them to become Southern Baptist, but rather, to have a relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ. Many of our younger leaders are frustrated with a system that seems that some of our programs and even personnel seems more interested in lifting up the SBC than they are in leading people to Jesus Christ.
Thus, the pendulum swings to the other extreme. The fact that the SBC had to vote on a “Great Commission Resurgence” (or whatever that was) is evidence that the focus was lost. And whenever the focus is lost, the people will instinctively begin looking for those who are focused on the Kingdom of God and not on denominational politics.
Again, I do not believe this was intentional on the part of the SBC, but I also think they have been too slow to address it. I don’t think it represents the majority of our churches or the general mindset of Southern Baptists. But, leadership sets the tone and the leadership has been overly concerned with rooting out those “dreaded liberals” instead of furthering the Kingdom of God.
Brad
Posted at 17:35h, 28 FebruaryGreg,
I understand about the suit. When I was a church planter in Ohio I did the same. Dress slacks with dress shirt. Here my context calls for a more traditional dress on Sunday morning. I really don’t think, though, that the style of the dress is the substance of my concern. Rather, I am afraid that we have some young leaders who were not raised Southern Baptist and do not have a Southern Baptist viewpoint. They have, and are, leading us into more of a quasi-independent baptist relationship as a convention. I am fine with this if this is where grassroots SB’s desire to go, but don’t lead one way when you were a pastor and then when you become a denominational leader tell me or encourage me to do something different. Just my humble southern baptist opinion.
Brad
Posted at 17:41h, 28 FebruaryJon,
As a pioneer area church planter in the northern suburbs of Columbus, OH i understand your context. My concern is not so much over style as it is structure, direction and theology. I am comfortable in most forms of worship. My issue is when those who really have not been cooperating SB’s are placed into leadership and try to force their structures, style and theology on the rest of the convention. Just take a look at this year’s current lineup of speakers and guests at the SBC Pastors’ Conference and you’ll see what I mean.
Thanks for dropping by.
Brad
Byron Williamson
Posted at 17:50h, 28 FebruaryAlthough I do wear a tie most Sunday mornings, when I take it off, I leave my shirt tucked in. And . . . nobody wants to see my feet, so I wouldn’t do well with sandals and candles!
Thank you for a great post.
Joshua Claycamp
Posted at 18:23h, 28 FebruaryDr. Whitt,
I thoroughly enjoyed your article and found myself saying “Amen!” at numerous points. Your reference to Adrian Rogers and Jerry Vines nearly caused me to cry as I remember with fondness the fierceness and love with which those men served to protect our convention from the liberal landslide that nearly swept us off the map. I share all of your same sentiments, and I agree with you regarding the current rise of “soft” Southern Baptists (with non-SBC mentors) to the microphone. Your article could well serve as a rallying cry for the “dinosaurs” such as myself, though I’m only a 30 year old Southern Baptist NAMB Church Planter serving in British Columbia. I obviously fit in the “young, Southern Baptist, and irrelevant” category that you’ve articulated.
However, I have one friendly and I hope-helpful-criticism regarding your article. There are numerous veiled references that I sincerely hope you clarify and openly elaborate upon. Who specifically are you referring to when you suggest that there are some who find Presbyterianism appealing? Who specifically are you referring to when you suggest that some have gained, “…possession of the microphone, and they have determined that we’ve got to do things ‘radically’ different — whatever the facts might be?”
I have all too often heard some decry certain circumstances or make veiled references in an attempt to foment an uprising where none was really needed. I am not suggesting that this is what you are attempting to do, but such veiled references can be misleading. Sometimes the individual making veiled references must keep those references intentionally veiled to conceal the lack of substance to his argument. Dr. Whitt, please understand that I am in complete agreement with you -as far as I can tell based on the ambiguity of the veiled references. I have suspicions of those in the current leadership as well. In order to state the case more forcefully and persuasively, I believe it is appropriate to document those individuals suggesting a “radical” departure, outline their reasons for making this suggestion, and then demonstrate how the “facts” might not line up with their reasons for suggesting we take a different “radical” direction.
It may be difficult for many of our brothers to determine the seriousness of your concerns if they are not allowed to weigh the evidence for themselves, and anyone who has any grievance may springboard off your article assuming that you are writing from their perspective. The strength of truth is what is needed in order to directly challenge those who stand on the platform and hold the microphone. Dr. Whitt, remove the ambiguity and you will strengthen your voice.
In Christ,
Joshua Claycamp
cyndi
Posted at 18:48h, 28 FebruaryWow!! You have put into words what my heart has felt for the last several years. We have tried to fix something that was not broken…just needed some tune-ups! You are not alone! Please, do not “forget about it.” Southern Baptists have such a legacy of reaching the lost and we have done it cooperatively; and it has worked. Thank you for not falling for the latest “rock star” but continually pointing to the Bright and Morning Star…the King of Kings. Thank you for stepping out. I agree with Peter…It is time!
Brad
Posted at 19:07h, 28 FebruaryJoshua,
I will answer you question very simply and succinctly as I am sitting in a hospital waiting room waiting to make a pastoral visit. 😉 A very simple way to back up my claim is to simply look at the guests on this year’s SBC Pastors’ Conf. When Piper advocates/accepts (I think that is simply semantics) infant baptism and full Covenant Theology and has lay elders (which violates the BF&M which states that the officers of a Southern Baptist Church are Pastors and Deacons), when Darrin Patrick is invited with his hard line reformed theology and view on alcohol, I can’t say anything other than I have said. Those are just two instances without going into much of the young ldrs and their theology/methodology involved in the restructuring of our convention.
Thanks for dropping by,
Brad
@jonwellman
Posted at 19:13h, 28 FebruaryBrad,
WOW. Checked the conference schedule. Point taken.
Jon
Steve Lemke
Posted at 19:48h, 28 FebruaryThe time has come for the Silent SBC Majority (who are proud of our heritage and excited to be Southern Baptists) to stand up and speak out.
Mark
Posted at 20:41h, 28 FebruaryBrad,
How do you see lay elders as violating the BF&M? Also, would Covenant Theology like that of R.B.C. Howell be acceptable to you?
Robin Foster
Posted at 20:50h, 28 FebruaryBrother Whitt
Thank you for speaking my heart concerning this matter. There are many of us who feel the same way. It is a shame to go to a SBC Pastor’s conference and hear from those outside our denomination. It makes one think if the SBC lacks for preachers who can preach great? Anyways, I thank you for this article.
Brad
Posted at 21:04h, 28 FebruaryMark,
Here’s the BF&M statement on the church. As for Howell, not familiar enough to speak to his theological system, but for being an active, invested SBC president who championed missions in the face of the hyper-Calvinists (Who called him an Armenian, btw) of his day, I applaud him.
“VI. The Church
A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is an autonomous local congregation of baptized believers, associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the gospel; observing the two ordinances of Christ, governed by His laws, exercising the gifts, rights, and privileges invested in them by His Word, and seeking to extend the gospel to the ends of the earth. Each congregation operates under the Lordship of Christ through democratic processes. In such a congregation each member is responsible and accountable to Christ as Lord. Its scriptural officers are pastors and deacons. While both men and women are gifted for service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by Scripture.” (Italics mine)
Mark
Posted at 21:15h, 28 FebruaryAmong the speakers at last year’s SBCPC were Ravi Zacharias, Tony Evans, Francis Chan, CJ Mahaney, and Andy Stanley. As far as I know, none of these guys are Southern Baptist. I don’t recall anyone speaking out in the same manner. Maybe the timing wasn’t right..I don’t know.
Brad, would you be opposed for any to any of the men I just named to speak this year?
Mark
Posted at 21:21h, 28 FebruaryBrad, you originally mentioned “lay” elders. Is there anything specific concerning the laity serving in such a capacity that you object to?
Is it your position then that the Bible uses pastor, elder and even bishop as three distinct offices? Many understand elder and pastor to be the same office.
BTW, are you aware that the 1925 BF&M states that the, “Scriptural officers are bishops, or elders, and deacons?”
Brad
Posted at 21:25h, 28 FebruaryMark,
I was uncomfortable with many of those, for different reasons, and as a result spent most of my time fellowshipping in the hallway. I disagreed with inviting CJ Mahaney who I put squarely in the Presbyterian camp. Francis Chan was problematic because he wrote a book on the Holy Spirit but admittedly doesn’t know exactly when the Holy Spirit comes into a person’s life. I did hear Stanley and it was a great corporate/business consultation. However, I do think that some of the speakers this year are much more radical in their views that the total of those presented last year. My concern is this apparent direction and trajectory in which we seem to be headed as a denomination. I just for the life of me can not figure out why we can’t find those who are Southern Baptists by conviction and practice to invite to the national stages. Are we that lacking in leadership that we have to start outsourcing our preachers to those who would not hold to our SBC distinctives?
Thanks again for the dialogue.
Brad
Brad
Posted at 21:30h, 28 FebruaryMark,
I hold that the titles, Bishop, Pastor and Elder are all referring to the same person or office. I do believe that to put lay people who have never surrendered to the call to ministry, prepared for the ministry, planted their life and the life of their family in the ministry, who’s very life and personal success it tied to the well-being and growth of the church where they serve – to put a small group laymen on in a position of authority over the man of God who has made those sacrifices and commitments is unfair, even unbiblical, to all involved.
Brad
hariette petersen (a.k.a. selahV)
Posted at 02:53h, 01 MarchDr. Whitt, thank you so much for your very open and honest expression. As wife to a retired Southern Baptist minister, I am saddened by what I see going on in our convention. May your tribe not only increase but stand up and speak up in days ahead. selahV
Ron Hale
Posted at 02:55h, 01 MarchBrad,
I want to say, “Amen and Amen.” Thanks for your article and for standing up for your convictions. Actually you have spoken for many in the SBC family — pastors and laymen.
We are wandering in a wilderness in our current SBC Life. Our leaders are hyper on Piper, LifeWay materials encourage our people to visit Mark Driscolls website to download his sermons. For our SBC Pastor’s conference, we are bringing in an African Bishop that was kicked out of the African Reformed Church for Pentecostalism, and we have a couple of ACTS29 guys preaching.
Yes … we are wandering. Maybe our leaders don’t know “who” we are, but I think many are beginning to wake up.
Bless you Brad!
Bart Barber
Posted at 04:05h, 01 MarchThis article was a tremendous encouragement to me.
Dan Parker
Posted at 04:28h, 01 MarchBrad,
The nail was hit on the head. Take heart, not all want to be Presbyterian. I know a good number of young men serving our Lord who truly are committed to sharing the gospel to everyone on behalf of a God Who will that none be lost but that all come to repentance. Keep on keeping on and thanks!
Howell Scott
Posted at 07:14h, 01 MarchBrad,
Thank you so much for this article. You have articulated my beliefs and thoughts (and the beliefs and thoughts of I think a majority of Southern Baptists)in such a powerful way. I am a life-long Southern Baptist and I love our Convention of cooperating churches. While many of us believe that we can improve how we do missions and ministry, I simply do not believe we need the radical changes that are being thrust upon us by the ruling elites. I hope that you and I and others will continue to speak up, even when those in power keep telling us to “sit down and shut up.” God bless,
Howell
John Sullivan
Posted at 12:59h, 01 MarchBrad,
I am thrilled to know that our SBC will be in good hands with men like yourself. There is too much flirting with non-SBC people to speak in our meetings (I think it sends the wrong message to the younger guys, they buy into all that the speakers say, Spurgeon said to “eat the hay, but leave the stubble”). It’s OK to hear from others (I read what non-SBC guys write) but I read with discernment.
I am Baptist born, Baptist bred, and when I die, I’ll be Baptist dead!
Keep the faith,
John
Eric Benoy
Posted at 13:59h, 01 MarchThank you for such a thoughtful contribution to the dialogue as to the identity and life of the SBC — past, present, and future. As a not-so-young-but-not-yet-old 40-ish SBC minister, it truly hits right at home.
The SBC has always had a wide range of styles of worship and theoloigcal interpretation. I have been in SBC churches which had a divided chancels, acolytes, and the pastor wore clerical robes and I have been in an SBC church which is on the opposite end of the spectrum. I have been in SBC mega-churches and house churches. The majority have had a good understanding of their SBC identity and why they support it and the CP.
I agree that it is a fallacy to think that major sweeping changes must be made. It seems we have, or at least those who are most vocal and figured more prominently in the media, fallen for the idea that something new is automatically better, what C.S. Lewis calls chronological snobbery. But to think that a new way (or return to an old way) is the only way or the best way, ignores the variety of expressions, the variety of DNA SBC churches have — and which gives us strength. As my mentor in seminary used to put it about the BF&M — it is iron-clad statments joined together with rubber expansion joints.
Other things, I think, threaten us as well, that we seem to not be addressing: why are large churches considered successful or “significant” and not small churches? Mega-churches seem to be fairly autonomous, but I wonder how much they are helping the smaller churches in their area. And, as one pastor in N.C. has made note of publicly, why are the majority of churches in the SBC (70%+ — those under 200, and for smaller ones like mine 40%+ under 100) not represented on the exec. comm. of the SBC and trustee boards of the SBC entities?
But, those are other issues, of which I am sure are not popular topics and will draw fire as well. In any event, you have done well, in presenting this dialogue opener.
Blessings abundant!
Eric
Eric Benoy
Posted at 14:02h, 01 MarchADDENDUM – correction to previous statement — I meant to say, “I agree that it is a fallacy to think that major sweeping changes must be made IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO.” TO be sure, we do need to make changes, but sometimes a minor tweak is just as effective.”
My apologies for not editing before I submitted.
–Eric
Tony Workman
Posted at 23:09h, 01 MarchI agree with your assessment. Great post.
Bill Merrell
Posted at 05:33h, 02 MarchYour assessment is in tune with what I know, as well as what I believe.
The programs that headline non-Southern Baptists are the result of selecting leaders who do not come out of a Southern Baptist culture — outsider insiders, as one of the blogs refer to them.
The changes that are being made are systemic, and, I believe, destructive, of the SBC as it has been historically. As one of the remarks make clear, there has been a significant variety among styles and customs. However, the Convention has been committed to orthodoxy and cooperation. There have been unhappy periods during which it has been less orthodox or less cooperative than it should have been — but after sound correctives, there has been a return and resurgence. I think that BOTH our orthodoxy and the spirit of cooperation are being severely tested in the present time. Frankly, I don’t think the damage done to our Convention can be repaired now without a messy confrontation — and maybe not at all in as few as five years, or as many as ten. I hope I’m wrong.
In any event, the Convention is far more threatened than some think, and it is time to seek the Lord — and follow Him! As long as the microphone, or the gavel, is in the hand of those who want to re-fashion the Convention around some thing other than our heritage, it is in peril.
Steven R. Owensby
Posted at 15:32h, 02 MarchI wanted to personally alert you that I have written a response to your article in the Baptist Courier and posted it on my blog. You may review it here https://ow.ly/46oEl .
Justin Kirksey
Posted at 15:52h, 02 MarchGreat article. I pray as a convention that we learn the difference between a Christian leader to have on our bookshelf and one to have at our conferences.
Joshua Claycamp
Posted at 02:10h, 04 MarchDr. Whitt,
Thanks so much for the response! I trust you understand that I’m in complete agreement with you. The guests at this year’s Pastor’s Conference are a startling indication of the current leadership’s direction. My comment to your post was intended to suggest that the column be tweaked, if I may, from making “veiled referrences” to making documented accusations. Perhaps just be forthright in the article and lay the charge openly at Vance Pittman’s feet. Just go ahead and name names, brother! As Paul says, “I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned.” (Galatians 2:11)
Cheers!
Joshua
Tim Hare
Posted at 22:10h, 05 MarchBrad,
As Christians, what is our ultimate authority? Is it Scripture or a manmade document? It seems that your standard for disagreeing with speakers and certain leaders in the SBC is based upon a manmade document. If you think they are wrong, that’s fine, but then tell us why they are wrong by the use of Scripture. If you disagree with their methods, then critique them, but do it with Scripture, not the BF&M. Southern Baptists have become known in recent years more for what they stand against, rather than what they stand for. That is not to say that we shouldn’t stand against things, but that is not how we should be defined. We should be defined as people who proclaim and live out the Gospel for the glory of God, and as people who desire to see the lost souls of the world come to salvation. If this is the message that is being preached, then do secondary matters like reformed or non-reformed even matter? For instance, you said that one of the reasons Darrin Patrick should not be able to speak at the pastor’s conference was because of his stance on alcohol. Well I guess if C.H. Spurgeon or B.H. Carroll were still alive, both of whom smoked cigars, they couldn’t speak at the conference either? Where is the Scriptural support? The leaders who organize the pastor’s conference believe that the men who are coming, are men who proclaim the Gospel in their preaching. If you disagree with this, then explain why you disagree, but do it with Scripture. And if you see them as men who do proclaim the Gospel, then what is the problem?
In Christ,
Tim
Brad
Posted at 22:20h, 05 MarchTim,
Thanks for your post. I have gotten so many responses I can not reply to them all. I will say in response to your comment that I do plan on another letter in the coming weeks to point to this year’s pastors’ conference as a case study in what i believe is wrong in the SBC.
Thanks for stopping by.
Brad Whitt
Lee
Posted at 16:05h, 10 MarchWhy are we having Nine Marks conferences at the SBC and not John 3:16 conferences? I would like to see Dr. Vines and the others share this conference with the convention!
peter lumpkins
Posted at 08:27h, 11 MarchSteven,
I read your response to Dr. Whitt’s article. Undoubtedly, your testimony is authentic and your passion for the Lord sure. Thank you. Nonetheless, a response to the substantive concerns driving this post it is not. Indeed there is no engagement at all that I can tell.
And, as for the “Reformed” being an issue, I’m afraid the lion’s share of responsibility for the issue being raised must lie at the feet of the “Reformed” themselves. Since the Founders Movement beginning in 1982, the “Reformed” among us have made “Reformed” a wedge issue. They have split untold churches and now have exclusively taken at least one entire seminary with the president proudly proclaiming publicly in Christianity Today that only “Reformed structures” of thought are able to “protect” the gospel we all love. In a single breath, he implied all non-Calvinistic believers in the SBC–which happens to be about 95% of all Southern Baptists–to possess an inadequate theology to both preach and maintain the gospel.
Hence, from my standpoint, for one to imply those of us who happen to stand up and say, “Hold on. Not so fast, brother!” as being the ones who are making being “Reformed” an issue is both wrong-headed and, in the end, insulting.
May our Lord give us strength.
With that, I am…
Peter
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Posted at 12:07h, 11 March[…] In one succinct paragraph, Dave Miller, commenting at SBCVoices on a recent article by Brad Whitt, “Young, Southern Baptist . . . and Irrelevant,” has summed up the root of the problem that we face as Southern Baptists. Unfortunately, most folks […]
Wil
Posted at 00:01h, 15 MarchI appreciate your comments. I would say be yourself. Don’t be pressed into any mold, but follow the Holy Spirit, and preach the Word!However, if others find a different method to preach the same gospel, then why not? As long as the Word is not compromised, then let the methods be the methods.
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Posted at 23:26h, 05 April[…] Southern Baptist, . . . and Irrelevant?” in the South Carolina state Baptist Courier and on his own blog. In essence, Whitt expressed the concern that traditional Southern Baptist churches like his own […]
J.R. Mathews
Posted at 01:04h, 06 AprilI agree with what Bro Whitt has written. I am a retired SB pastor, who has a heart for missions. In retirement, my wife and I are involved in helping churches in areaswhere help is desparately needed–whether in construction projects, or in helping plant new churches. I grew up at a time when “giants” walked the SBC planet. Men like Crswell, Lee, Gray, Rutledge, Cauthen, Sullivan, Hobbs, Ford, Freeman, T.A. Patterson. They were our leaders. Now, we are led by folks who are ashamed to be called Baptist. Many of them lead churches who refuse to call themselves Baptist.
Many have no real theology, and believe what is current to today. We as a people have fought the battles over Calvinism, and the validity of scripture in our history. Time we get to our roots in doctrine, theology, practice,and doing what HE has called us to do.
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Posted at 13:42h, 07 April[…] It was taken from the blog: https://bradwhitt.com/2011/02/young-southern-baptist-and-irrelevant/ […]
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Posted at 15:32h, 07 April[…] . . . and Irrelevant?,” which was published in the South Carolina state Baptist Courier, on his own blog, and in six additional Baptist state papers. Responses to Whitt’s article, pro and con, have […]
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Posted at 16:58h, 08 April[…] the first two parts of this article, I have been reflecting on Brad Whitt’s article “Young, Southern Baptist, . . . and Irrelevant?,” which was published and discussed widely in state Baptist papers, various blogs, and […]
george bryson
Posted at 18:12h, 19 JulyDear Brad
I am not as familiar with your message as I hope to become but little I have read I appreciate. I am the antithesis to young and Reformed but from time to time feel a little restless. God Bless and use you as you continue to seek and serve him.In Christ, George L. Bryson
Sam Stephens
Posted at 04:13h, 02 DecemberDr.Whitt,
I had the pleasure of hearing you preach at this week’s chapel service at SWBTS. I appreciated so much your words and the vigor and conviction with which you spoke. I identify so much with your post. I am a young 24 year old Southern Baptist from West Tennessee and am currently finishing up my first semester at seminary. God has called me to make an impact on the college campuses and young adults of this generation. At times, I feel so discouraged because my generation seems to be caught up in this “restless” search for the “next big thing.” The sad part is, many of them don’t know much at all about Southern Baptist work, and couldn’t care less about learning about something they want to “fix/improve” so badly. Thank you for the stance you are taking. You are an encouragement to me!
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Posted at 23:10h, 13 December[…] 2) Brad Whitt’s Post “Young, Southern Baptist…and Irrelevant?“ […]
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Posted at 01:21h, 14 December[…] 2) Brad Whitt’s Post “Young, Southern Baptist…and Irrelevant?“ […]